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    by Published on 07-11-2010 07:40 PM
    Lie 4 : More than 2 players

    The first video trailer for Project Natal clearly showed a family of four sitting down ( something I'm not even sure works with Kinect. I've heard rumours that it doesn't, but Microsoft are saying otherwise. We'll have to wait and see ) playing some sort of gameshow title on the xbox. A recent announcement from Microsoft stated that 'up to two players' can use Kinect at any one time. This isn't the worst blow ever and it's something I can live with, but they shouldn't have advertised more than two players in the first place if they didn't know for a fact they could nail it.





    Lie 5 : Milo and Kate

    This is the big enchilada, the greatest lie ever told! Well not quite, but , in the gaming industry at least, it's certainly up there. Milo and Kate, when it was first demoed at E3 2009, seemed like it was years ahead of it's time, possibily because it was. The game showed a woman interacting with a small boy on her televison screens in the most amazing of ways. She could converse with the child, it understood her, it could see her concern or excitement, she could trade items with the boy. It was like nothing the world had ever seen before. Whats more, it represented a host of brand new oppurtunities for the xbox 360. Imagine Mass Effect utalizing this system, the possibilites were endless.

    On year on, and we have no idea whether this game is in limbo or out, what features are still in the product, or if it even still exists at all. Some Microsof spokesmen are saying it's not an actual game, others are saying it is. It wasn't present at this years E3, except, according to Peter Molyneux, to a select few celebreties. You would think Microsoft would be showing Milo and Kate to as many people as possible, as it was certainly the most impressive piece of Kinect software that had been shown so far.




    So there you have it. Whether you consider these lies, omissions or anything you'd like, there's no denying that Project Natal is but a shadow of its former, E3 2009, self.
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    1. Microsoft actually lied to you zero times, in the beginning of the video it says "Product vision: actual features and functionality may vary" and Milo and Kate is still in development by a 50 men team and will be shown in GamesCon next month.
    1. I'm sorry DrKeo but all they have done since the first time they showed Kinect (it was called Natal back then) is mislead the whole communtiy by using pre-recorded videos and actors to act out what was going on screen, if this device works so well then why was it not demonstrated properly, instead of the misleading tactic that MS Used.
      All the experts was hoping that MS was making new minority report like motion controls, then when they played the same tricks this year again, they finally knew MS was just leading them all on, and they have found out kinect is nowhere as near as good as MS made out.
      Now all the experts seem to be siding with the move as they have experienced it properly, and they know it works, it it the most precise controller and has augmented reality, and guess what it has minority report like controls which work beautifully.
      Unfortunately casual's may fall for the tricks that MS have played as they are not the kind to research into these kinds of technologies, but will see the nice adverts of kinect working properly and be misled into buying a product which basically falls short of it's promise.
    1. i hate all the idiots who believed in milo. so an eyetoy for the 360 suddenly makes realistic ai possible? stupid stupid stupid
    1. Toby M. Farren's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by DrKeo View Post
      Microsoft actually lied to you zero times, in the beginning of the video it says "Product vision: actual features and functionality may vary" and Milo and Kate is still in development by a 50 men team and will be shown in GamesCon next month.
      Not that I doubt Milo and Kate doesn't exist in some form, I don't believe it'll be anywhere near the experience shown at E3 2009. We'll be at Gamescom next month anyway, so we'll see then either way. Hopefully I'm wrong.
    1. What a pile of crap. Is this how journalism works, you tell people they lied while waiting to see if it comes true or now?

      Why don't you idiots just wait and see how things pan out before jumping the gun? Oh that's right, traffic is slow so we must try and create our own hype.
    1. Toby M. Farren's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
      What a pile of crap. Is this how journalism works, you tell people they lied while waiting to see if it comes true or now?

      Why don't you idiots just wait and see how things pan out before jumping the gun? Oh that's right, traffic is slow so we must try and create our own hype.
      The only one of those 5 things that hasn't been confirmed to have been taken out of Kinect is Milo and Kate, and I'm sure that's been downgraded in some way. If they can't manage object scanning or voice recognition how will they manage an AI that converses with you, judges your mood and can take real life objects from you, knowing exactly what the object you gave them is.
    1. Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
      i hate all the idiots who believed in milo. so an eyetoy for the 360 suddenly makes realistic ai possible? stupid stupid stupid
      I hate all of the idiots who assumed Milo was a sentient AI, despite Molyneux stating at E3 09 that it is simply trickery to try and make one believe that they were conversing with an AI. It's just an attempt at creating the best revolutionary AI simulator, not actually revolutionary AI. And it is still fully in development, and it wasn't shown at E3 because Molyneux is unveiling it in a TED talk in 2 days.
    1. Quote Originally Posted by Toby M. Farren View Post
      The only one of those 5 things that hasn't been confirmed to have been taken out of Kinect is Milo and Kate, and I'm sure that's been downgraded in some way. If they can't manage object scanning or voice recognition how will they manage an AI that converses with you, judges your mood and can take real life objects from you, knowing exactly what the object you gave them is.
      You clearly have a lack of understanding as to what Milo is. Read this - Interview: Peter Molyneux on Milo And Kate | Edge Magazine
    1. Actually I am pretty sure Peter Molinuex(however you spell his last name) confirmed that Milo would not be made into a real product... Thus it is canceled...
    1. who cares kinect is still awful. no real reason for the core audience to go out and purchase
      how about showing racing game with no way to control your speed?

      microsoft need to work on getting some exclusives out that are not kinect wii party games
      so the 50 a year will be worth it
      especially with ps3 users getting plus with free content where all i get is online
      microsoft really needs to step it up

      i mean come on halo reach is the only decent exclusive for the rest of the year..
    1. Microsoft has a long history of not understanding the principles of marketing; whether it be by promising too much and delivering not enough, or simply creating advertisements that will actually create even the slightest iota of interest.

      YouTube - HostingYourParty

      Watch it without cringing.
    1. I can't believe I just wasted 10 minutes reading this crap article.
    1. Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
      I can't believe I just wasted 10 minutes reading this crap article.
      wow it took you 10 minutes to read 3 paragraphs?
    1. Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
      wow it took you 10 minutes to read 3 paragraphs?
      hes mentally incapable.
    1. Fearless journalism, keep up the good work!

      anyways in 2009 I was hoping M$ deliver what they promised be it fishy & shady....for the good of the industry & us gamers....now with all the conflicting messages we get from Molyneux & Greenberg....its confirmed they lied to us, right David cage of Heavy Rain?
    1. Why do all of your fail to understand what CONCEPT means.
      With your logic all car companies fail because they concept car they show at auto shows change from the time of release.
      Since KINECT was the only thing OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED, You sony fanboys shouldn't get your panties in a knot.
      Sure things have changed, since 09. Since all they should was a concept of tech. with abilities that are POSSIBLE. NOT ABILITIES that are logical, reliable nor cost-efficient.
      I can almost guarantee you, should KINECT be successful and 3rd party developers really get into it. Microsoft will be more willing and able to add features and enhancements. Just like both they and Sony are doing to their consoles.

      Now go and do something important like learn Common Sense. or how to talk to girls, I am sure all you fanboys crying MS LIES fail at one if not both of those..
    1. none of these are lies they just havnt showed them yet
    1. Just starting this out with, even though I own a Xbox 360, I will not be purchasing Kinect on my own, my family might, but I will not be a major decider in this case.

      Now onto your article.
      First off, if you want to be a real journalist, learn to proofread, and maybe use spell check. (Kinda helps to establish clarity.)
      Secondly, none of this is misleading, because they stated this is what they hoped it would be able to do. Now, after months of hard work they were unable to make that happen, but according to Microsoft, software updates might be able to improve and allow you eventually be able to accomplish these things.
      Third, the "Minority Report" menu is still in the work as far as I know. The simpler menu is just to make it easier to just get straight to your games or movies.

      Finally, please try to be unbiased in your next piece of journalism, as this article made you seem like a selfcentered PlayStation fan-boy douchebag. (BTW PlayStation fans, I don't hate your system, I actually adore a lot of the franchises on the platform, but I am currently unable to afford two systems.)
    1. As per previous comments, The videos showed back at E3 2009 were concept videos only. Molyneux has confirmed that the Milo & Kate is not dead but is still being worked on. Re Object scanning: MS have confirmed a partnership with Burger King, where with every BK Kids Meal a Kinectimal plush is given and can then be scanned into the Kinectimals game (whether through barcode or whatever) but along those lines, it's down to game developers to allow such things as a skateboard design to be scanned into a game, MS have proven the face recognition thing with the automatic sign in and again it's down to game developers to take the full advantage of the Kinect device.

      So, not necessarily lies, more like "this is what it COULD be"
    1. Pedro Proença Relvas's Avatar
      I think the video was a tech one they never said Milo would be a game right :O
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